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Dave Mak
20th February 2008, 03:42
TOKYO - Toshiba said Tuesday it will no longer develop, make or market HD DVD players and recorders, handing a victory to rival Blu-ray disc technology in the format battle for next-generation video.
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"We concluded that a swift decision would be best," Toshiba President Atsutoshi Nishida told reporters at his company's Tokyo offices.

The move would make Blu-ray — backed by Sony Corp., Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., which makes Panasonic brand products, and five major Hollywood movie studios — the winner in the battle over high-definition DVD formatting that began several years ago.

Nishida said last month's decision by Warner Bros. Entertainment to release movie discs only in the Blu-ray format made the move inevitable.

"That had tremendous impact," he said. "If we had continued, that would have created problems for consumers, and we simply had no chance to win."

Warner joined Sony Pictures, Walt Disney Co. and News Corp.'s Twentieth Century Fox in that move.

Nishida said his company had confidence in HD DVD as a technology and tried to assure the estimated 1 million people, including some 600,000 people in North America, who already bought HD DVD machines by promising that Toshiba will continue to provide product support for the technology.

Both HD DVD and Blu-ray deliver crisp, clear high-definition pictures and sound, which are more detailed and vivid than existing video technology. They are incompatible with each other, and neither plays on older DVD players. But both formats play on high-definition TVs.

HD DVD was touted as being cheaper because it was more similar to previous video technology, while Blu-ray boasted bigger recording capacity.

Only one video format has been expected to emerge as the victor, much like VHS trumped Sony's Betamax in the video format battle of the 1980s.

Nishida said it was still uncertain what will happen with the Hollywood studios that signed to produce HD DVD movies, including Universal Studios, Paramount Pictures and DreamWorks Animation.

Toshiba's pulling the plug on the technology is expected to reduce the number of new high-definition movies that people will be able to watch on HD DVD machines. Toshiba Corp. said shipments of HD DVD machines to retailers will be reduced and will stop by end of March.

Sales in Blu-ray gadgets are now likely to pick up as consumers had held off in investing in the latest recorders and players because they didn't know which format would emerge dominant.

Despite being a possible blow to Toshiba's pride, the exit will probably lessen the potential damage in losses in HD DVD operations. Goldman Sachs has said pulling out would improve Toshiba's profitability between 40 billion yen and 50 billion yen ($370 million-$460 million) a year.

The reasons behind Blu-ray's triumph over HD DVD are complex, as marketing, management maneuvers and other factors are believed to have played into the shift to Blu-ray's favor that became more decisive during the critical holiday shopping season.

Once the balance starts tilting in favor of one in a format battle, then the domination tends to grow and become final, said Kazuharu Miura, an analyst at Daiwa Institute of Research in Tokyo.

"The trend became decisive I think this year," he said. "When Warner made its decision, it was basically over."

With movie studios increasingly lining up behind Blu-ray, retailers also began to stock more Blu-ray products.

Friday's decision by Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the largest U.S. retailer, to sell only Blu-ray DVDs and hardware appeared to deal a final blow to the Toshiba format. Just five days earlier, Netflix Inc. said it will cease carrying rentals in HD DVD.

Several major American retailers had already made similar decisions, including Target Corp. and Blockbuster Inc.

Also adding to Blu-ray's momentum was the gradual increase in sales of Sony's PlayStation 3 home video-game console, which also works as a Blu-ray player. Sony has sold 10.5 million PS3 machines worldwide since the machine went on sale late 2006.

HD DVD supporters included Microsoft Corp., Intel Corp. and Japanese electronics maker NEC Corp.

Microsoft's Xbox 360 game machine can play HD DVD movies, but the drive had to be bought separately, and Nishida said about 300,000 people have those.

Worldwide sales of personal computers with HD DVD drives total about 300,000 worldwide, including 140,000 in North America and 130,000 in Europe, he said.

Recently, the Blu-ray disc format has been gaining market share, especially in Japan. A study on fourth quarter sales last year by market researcher BCN Inc. found that by unit volume, Blu-ray made up 96 percent of Japanese sales.

Sony said it did not have numbers on how many Blu-ray players had been sold globally.

Toshiba's stock slipped 0.6 percent Tuesday to 824 yen after jumping 5.7 percent Monday amid reports that a decision was imminent. Sony shares climbed 2.2 percent to 5,010 yen after rising 1 percent Monday.

Also Tuesday, Toshiba said it plans to spend more than 1.7 trillion yen ($15.7 billion) for two plants in Japan to produce sophisticated chips called NAND flash memory, which are used in portable music players and cell phones. Production there will start in 2010.

as reported everywere by now :ok

ImCal
20th February 2008, 06:37
as reported everywere by now :ok


Knew this would happen the ps3 is the selling point for the blu-ray after all why pay for a hd-dvd player when for the same price you get a games console, a media server via pc and a blu-ray player etc.

Also most ps3 packs came with a free blu-ray film so ppl could see the quality right away without purchasing a hddvd...

Hd-dvd owners shouldnt feel as bad as the betamax owners did - at least the hd-dvd players will also play dvd content etc..

Dave9946
20th February 2008, 17:53
I dont really think either was greater in quality than the other with reguards to the output quality of the display ability etc.

In fact the only loosers are the consumers who were forced to choose 1 or the other!. Why they could'nt have co-existed I dont know. It did'nt do the DVD "-" & "+" formats any real harm now did it?.

I think it was more down to each format insisting that the major film studios must supports 1 or the other format. And has to release films only for that format.

Lets hope when the next gen of storage is developed, in what, several years?, there wont be this kind of thing ever again.

shopligand
21st February 2008, 13:05
At my age I should have known better but NO off to the shops I went & bought the HD DVD player addon for my x box 360 so I will be left with a redundant bit of kit a year after buying it.

Dave9946
21st February 2008, 17:20
I guess that means that they are also going to stop making the HD-DVD drives for the 360 to then!.

I first thought prehaps no Hi-Def games for the 360 any more. Untill I thought hi-def gaming is a matter of resolution than the storage media right?.

Just as long as the 360 has a HDMI output it wont put me off getting 1 in the future.

ImCal
21st February 2008, 17:40
At my age I should have known better but NO off to the shops I went & bought the HD DVD player addon for my x box 360 so I will be left with a redundant bit of kit a year after buying it.


on the plus side..

you should be able to pick up some bargains then as the shops try n clear their stock etc.

Dave9946
21st February 2008, 17:47
I just wander if the prices of new Blu-Ray films will go up?. No competition means they can charge what they like!.

ImCal
22nd February 2008, 07:14
I just wander if the prices of new Blu-Ray films will go up?. No competition means they can charge what they like!.


Have you noticed that cd prices are increasing again, being a very regular buyer of cds last year i was picking up top 20 cds for £6.33 in a lot of supermarkets, Xmas £9.99 now £11 and once it youre booted off ta net for downloading mp3`s i reckon they will be £17 a pop like they once were, i will then quit buying them.

Has for blu-ray i own 9 all purchased when they were 3 for 2 ie £40 for 3 working out £13.33 ie dvd priced no probs buying them at that price wont pay £24 for one though only to be told in a few years my blu-ray collection will have to be once again replaced by the latest format, been stung too many times, ie cassette, mini-disc,records,betamax,vhs,laser, etc etc